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Wow....just wow. I can't believe I've never seen this movie.

http://tv-links.cc/movie/zeitgeist.htm

American Zeitgeist is a feature length documentary by filmmaker Rob McGann that offers an historical look at the War on Terrorism from 1979 through 2006. The narrative of American Zeitgeist is woven out of more than 40 in-depth interviews with leading experts on terrorism, U.S. foreign policy, Islam and Middle Eastern studies.
And before you guys start your *****ing/flaming/skepticism, I'm not saying I actually believe anything about the 9/11 segment..it sounds a lot like Loose Change. Yeah, some of it makes sense, but that doesn't mean it's true.

I'm more focused on the religion/astronomy aspect of the film, in Part 1.
 

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Eh Majority of all wars have been started in the name of God, despite that being the exact opposite of how it supposed to be.
 

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ha I hate any form or religions anyway, christians or not, it's all BS and all roots are in the old greek mythologies anyway!
 

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This can also be seen on www.zeitgeistmovie.com.

Everyone needs to watch this...it will make you think twice before putting your faith in the American government.
 

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The most important part of that movie is part 3 regarding the current financial markets.

Part 1 and 2 are interesting if nothing more.

You want to watch a good movie? Get A Crude Awakening.
 

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The most important part of that movie is part 3 regarding the current financial markets.
Yeah, that's what I'm watching right now. I'm speechless...
 

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The most important part of that movie is part 3 regarding the current financial markets.

Part 1 and 2 are interesting if nothing more.

You want to watch a good movie? Get A Crude Awakening.
People need to watch that. While the financial markets may be a dangerous issue eventually, the things explored in a Crude Awakening are a massive danger NOW...yet people prefer to be ignorant, stupid and lazy so they can avoid having to deal with the consequences.

Yeah, that's what I'm watching right now. I'm speechless...
Watch A Crude Awakening...than read the book "The Long Emergency" if you want to be more so.

Eh Majority of all wars have been started in the name of God, despite that being the exact opposite of how it supposed to be.
The churches in America today have become so polluted by Patriotic bull**** that they have lost the true idea of Christianity: Love thy neighbor as thyself and the concept of being suffering servants. Most churches nowadays follow the war Eagles more readily than wielding the Dove and olive branch of peace.
 

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American Zeitgeist
Loose Change
Michael Moore Movies

These are movies have one purpose: To degrade America and religion. The only purpose is to make Americans worried about dumb bull**** when we should be worrying about other important things.

Now for the movie "Crude Awakenings": I think this movie is legit because it deals with something that is clearly obvious; we're addicted to oil. It takes it to a higher level of knowledge so we can understand on how addicted we are. That's just my 2 cents.
 

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I agree about Loose Change and anything by Michael Moore...but Zeitgeist has some actual facts about the history of the Federal Reserve, that most people don't know, and should.
 

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I agree about Loose Change and anything by Michael Moore...but Zeitgeist has some actual facts about the history of the Federal Reserve, that most people don't know, and should.
The Federal Reserve stuff is important, especially given that it now has waaaaayyyy more power than it should, just like the Government.
 

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The Federal Reserve stuff is important, especially given that it now has waaaaayyyy more power than it should, just like the Government.
Exactly. The federal Reserve has us by the balls, mainly because they control the entire economy, and they aren't even regulated by the federal government.
 

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Exactly. The federal Reserve has us by the balls, mainly because they control the entire economy, and they aren't even regulated by the federal government.
If you think the federal government already has too much control, why would you let the federal government regulate the federal reserve?
 

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If you think the federal government already has too much control, why would you let the federal government regulate the federal reserve?
I'm not saying I would, I'm just saying that we got ourselves between a rock and a hard place by letting a private company control America's assets.
 

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In general, I feel better about a private company controlling some assets vs. the federal government.
Not a private company that abuses their power to take advantage of the American people.
 

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i've had this movie since it has been out, it is a really good watch IMO and its not one of those movies that runs around pointing the finger, but links everything to facts an doesnt favor one thing over another.
 

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Here's an excerpt:

ZeitGeist said:
In 1783 America won its independence from England. However, its battle against the Central Bank concept and the corrupt, greed filled men associated with it had just begun. So what is a central bank? A central bank is an institution that produces the currency of an entire nation. Based on historical precedent, two specific powers are inherent in central banking practice: the control of interest rates and the control of the money supply, or inflation.
The central bank does not simply supply a government's economy with money, it loans it to them at interest. Then through the use of increasing and decreasing of supply of money the central bank regulates the value of the currency being issued. It is critical to understand that the entire structure of this system can only produce one thing in the long run: DEBT. It doesn't take a lot of ingenuity to figure their scam now. For, every single dollar produced by the central bank is loaned at interest. That means every single dollar produced is actually the dollar plus a certain percent of debt based on that dollar. And since the central bank has the monopoly of the production of the currency for the entire country and they loan each dollar out with an immediate debt attached to it, where does the money that pay for the debt come from? It can only come from the central bank again. Which means the central bank has to perpetually increase its money supply to temporarily cover the outstanding debt created which in turn, since that new money is loaned out at interest as well creates even more debt? The end result of this system without fail is slavery for it is impossible for the government, and thus the public, to ever come out of the self-generating debt. The founding fathers of this country were well aware of this.

Thomas Jefferson said:
“I believe that banking institution are more dangerous than standing armies… If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency… the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered”
Sir Josiah Stamp said:
“If you want to remain slaves of the bankers and pay for the costs of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control the nation’s credit”
By the early 20th century the US have already implemented and removed a few central banking systems, which were swindled into place by the ruthless banking interests. At this time, the dominate families in the banking and business world were: J.D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Paul Warburg, Baron Rothschild. And in they early 1900's the sought to push once again legislation to create another central bank. However, they knew the Government and public were very wary of such an institution. So they needed to create an incident to affect the public opinion. So J.P.Morgan, publicly considered a financial luminary at the time, exploited his mass influence by publishing rumours about a prominent bank in New York wasn't solvent or bankrupt. Morgan new this would cause mass hysteria which would affect other banks as well. And it did. The public in fear of losing their deposits immediately began mass withdrawals. Consequently, the banks were forced to call in their loans causing their recipients to sell their property and thus the spiral of bankruptcies, repossessions and turmoil emerged. Putting the pieces together a few years later, Fredrik Allen of Life Magazine wrote:

Frederik Allen said:
“The Morgan interests took advantage… to participate the panic [of 1907] guiding it shrewdly as it progressed”
Unaware of the fraud, the panic of 1907 led to the Congressional investigation headed by Senator Nelson Aldrich, who had intimate ties to the banking cartels and later became part of the Rockefeller family through marriage. The commission led by Aldrich recommended a central bank should be implemented so a panic like 1907 could never happen again. This was the spark that international bankers needed to initiate their plan. In 1910 a secret meeting was held at the J.P.Morgan's estate on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia. It was there that the central banking bill called the Federal Reserve Act was written. This legislation was written by bankers, not law makers. This meeting was so secretive, so concealed from Government and public knowledge that a 10 or so figures who intended disguised their names when on route to the island. After this bill was constructed, it was then handed over to their political front man, Senator Nelson Aldrich, to push through Congress. And in 1913, with heavy political sponsorship by the bankers, Woodrow Wilson became president, having already agreed to sign the Federal Reserve Act in exchange for campaign support.
And two days before Christmas, when most of Congress was at home with their families, the Federal Reserve Act was voted in and Wilson in turn made it law. Years later Woodrow Wilson wrote, in regret:

Woodrow Wilson said:
“[Our] Great Industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.. who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.”
“We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world –no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.”
Congressman Louis McFadden also expressed the truth after the passage of the bill:

“A world banking system was being set up here… a superstate controlled by international bankers.. acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure. The FED has usurped the government.”
Now, the public was told that the Federal Reserve System was economic stabilizer and inflation and economic crises were thing of the past. Well, as history has shown, nothing was further from the truth. The fact is, the international bankers now had a streamline machine to expand their personal ambitions,
For example, from 1914 to 1919 the Fed increased the money supply by nearly 100% resulting in extensive loans to small banks and the public. Then, in 1920 the Fed called in mass percentages of the outstanding money supply. Thus resulting in the supporting banks having to call in huge numbers of loans and just like 1907, bank runs, bankruptcy and collapse occurred. Over 5.400 competitive banks outside of the Federal Reserve System collapsed further consolidating the monopoly of the small group of international bankers. Privy to this crime, Congressman Lindbergh stepped up and said in 1921:

Charles Lindbergh said:
“Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientifically created one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.”
However, the panic of 1920 was just a warm-up. From 1921 to 1929 the Fed again increased the money supply resulting once again in extensive loans to the public and banks. There was also a fairly new type of loan called the margin loan in the stock market. Very simply, the margin loan allowed an investor to put down only 10% of the stock's price with the other 90% being loaned from the broker. In other words, a person could own a $1000 worth of stock, with only a $100 down. This method was very popular in the roaring 1920's as everyone seemed to be making money in the market. However, there was a catch to this loan. It could be called in at any time and had to be paid within 24 hours. This is termed "a margin call", and a typical result of a margin call was the selling of the stock purchased with the loan. So, a few months before October in 1929, J.D.Rockefeller, Bernard Baruch and other insiders quietly exited the market. And on October 24th, 1929 the New York financiers who furnished the margin loans started calling them in, in mass. This sparked an instantaneous massive sell off in the market for everyone who had to cover the margin loans. It then triggered a mass bank runs for the same reason, in turn collapsing over 16.000 banks enabling the conspiring international bankers to not only buy up rival banks at the discount but to also buy up whole corporations at pennies on the dollar. It was the greatest robbery in American history. But that didn't stop there. Rather then expanding the money supply which were recovered from this economic collapse the Fed actually contracted it, fuelling one of the largest depressions in history. Once again outraged, Congressman Louis McFadden, a long time opponent of the banking cartels began bringing impeachment proceedings against the Federal Reserve Board. Saying of the crash and depression:

Louis McFadden said:
“It was a carefully contrived occurrence, international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair, so that they might emerge the rulers of us all.”
Not surprisingly, and after two previous assassination attempts, McFadden was poisoned at a banquet before he could push for the impeachment.
Now, having reduced the society of the squaller the Federal Reserve bankers decided that the gold standard should be removed. In order to do this, they needed to acquire the remaining gold in the system. So, under the pretense of "helping to end the depression", came the 1933 gold seizure. Under the threat of imprisonment for 10 years everyone in America was required to turn in all gold bullion to the Treasury, essentially robbing the public of what little wealth they had left. And at the end of 1933 the gold standard was abolished. If you look at a dollar bill from before 1933 it says it is redeemable in gold. You look at the dollar bill today, it says it is legal tender which means it is backed by absolutely nothing. It is worthless paper. The only thing that gives our money value is how much of it is in circulation. Therefore, the power to regulate the money supply is also the power to regulate its value which is also the power to bring entire economies and societies to its knees.
It's important to clearly understand, the Federal Reserve is a private corporation. It is about as "federal" as Federal Express. It makes its own policies and is under virtually no regulation by the US Government. It is a private bank that loans all the currency at interest to the Government, completely consistent with the fraudulent central banking model that the country sought to escape from when it declared independence in the American revolutionary war. Now, going back to 1913 the Federal Reserve Act was not the only unconstitutional bill pushed through Congress. They also pushed the Federal Income Tax. It's worthwhile to point out that the American public's ignorance towards the Federal Income Tax is a testament to how dumbed down and oblivious the American population really is.
First of all the Federal Income Tax is completely unconstitutional as it is a direct unapportioned tax. All direct taxes have to be apportioned to be legal, based on the Constitution. Secondly, the required number of states in order to ratify the amendment to allow the Income Tax was never met. And this has even been sided in modern court cases.

U.S. District Court Judge said:
“If you… examined [the 16th amendment] carefully, you would find that a sufficient number of states never ratified that amendment.”
Third, at the present day roughly 35% of the average worker's income is taken from them via this tax. That means you work 4 months out of the year to refill this tax obligation. And guess where that money goes? It goes to pay the interest on the currency being produced by the fraudulent Federal Reserve Bank, a system that does not have to exist at all. The money you make working 4 months out of the year goes almost literally into the pockets of the international bankers who own the private Federal Reserve Bank. And forth, even with the fraudulent Government claim as to the legality of the Income Tax there is literally no statute, no law in existence that requires you to pay this tax. Period.

Joe Turner said:
“I really expected that, of course there is a law that you can point to in the law book, a code that requires you to file a tax return. Of course there is! I was at that point where I couldn't find a statute that clearly made me personally liable, at least not me and the most people I know and I had no choice in my mind except to resign.”
Sherry Jackson said:
“Based on the resource that I did throughout the year 2000 and that I'm still doing I have not found that law. I've asked the Congress, we've asked a lot of people, in the IRS, IRS Commissioner's helpers, they can't answer because if they answer the American people are gonna know that this whole thing is a fraud.”
The income tax is nothing less than the enslavement of the entire country. Now, the control of the economy and the perpetual robbery of wealth is only one side of the Rubik's cube that bankers hold in their hands.
 

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The churches in America today have become so polluted by Patriotic bull**** that they have lost the true idea of Christianity: Love thy neighbor as thyself and the concept of being suffering servants. Most churches nowadays follow the war Eagles more readily than wielding the Dove and olive branch of peace.
Its not even the churches of today. Its the whole history of organized religion in general, and too many people are just blind followers and believe their way is the ONLY way. I believe in God but not the church.
 

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Its not even the churches of today. Its the whole history of organized religion in general, and too many people are just blind followers and believe their way is the ONLY way. I believe in God but not the church.
That has to be the smartest thing I've ever seen you type. Kudos to you, sir.

Organized religion is a joke.
 
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